Wednesday, 25 September 2013

Another tank damage value rebalance

Another WoT nominal damage value rebalance has been performed to better (re-)balance tanks, taking into consideration the changes made by WarGaming in the latest patches.

As before, the damage values can be found at http://www.noobmeter.com/tankList.

Thanks go out to crux_tm, ufoncz and others for their help on this.

Edit - on average, expected average damages have been raised by 2.6%, so in many cases your PR rating will go slightly down - but that applies to everyone.

Edit - adjustment to PR formula made so that average damages for tanks remain the same, so the rebalance should lower some ratings and raise others, depending on the mix of tanks played.

54 comments:

  1. My performance rating has dropped about 30 to 35 points overnight - gone from good to average after this last damage value re balance - i have had this rating for months now how can this happen? Please can you clarify?

    Seop

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    1. Hi, my also dropped about 40 points... didymos/EU

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    1. Also WG rating has dropped

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    2. WG rating shouldn't have been impacted.

      PR dropped as mid-tier TD expected damages went up a bit, and you play them a lot.

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    3. Have not played them for quite a few months now almost 6 i think so why should these stats reflect now when my other friends stats have not dropped with relevant patch updates etc.. this is unfair why should the stats change if I no longer play these tanks long before patches and changes.

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    5. so really all these stats are just rubbish because in another 6 months time if patches come out you have no bookmarks in play and your database cannot reflect accurately the information so really their is no point to YOUR performance rating and WN is the only one that can be trusted because you do not touch this. Right :) good day carry on your stats do whatever all seems pointless now.

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    6. seop - WN isn't touched? You're a bit misinformed, aren't you? WN7 as the number implies is on its SEVENTH iteration.

      It's stupid to never adjust ratings if they don't reflect the state of the game.

      Man, people are treating changes in rating calculation formulas which affected EVERYONE in the same way as if their dicks suddenly shrunk by a few centimeters... If you're a good player, your PR will still be good.

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    7. im still relatively knew and only in the last couple have months have i started paying premium and playing it you look at my last post you will see the dates i have stated and i have worked hard to get those stats to have to grind them all again because of a patch that does not apply now to those tanks is painful and about WN i meant for my own piece of mind because in a few patches other stats will just be nerfed

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    8. Having different expected damages for each patch is too complex. As more information is available, or as the game changes, the nominal damages need to be adjusted.

      In some cases it is a trade-off or compromise, where some people believe they have played tanks which are now overpowered when they were underpowered, and so forth, but there are no easy solutions, and I cannot make everyone happy.

      That being said, the changes apply the same way to everyone.

      Also, I changed a bit the coefficients (see above) so your drop in rating should be a bit smaller.

      Take it easy.

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    9. thanks man and thank for all the prompt replies and responses £5 donation just came your way after all its not like you get payed to do this but it means a lot to us and you are the best one out of all the stat modifiers so its not like we can go elsewhere :)

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    10. Thanks, seop. I understand no one wants to see their hard-earned stats drop, but sometimes I have to adjust the numbers and I cannot make everyone happy then.

      Happy tanking!

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  3. hello,

    same problem here, my performance rating drops from 2014 to 1923 over the night.

    My username is Montherlant, playing on eu server.

    Thanks for your work on the website !

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    1. I think in your case KV-1S expected damage raise has had the most impact.

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    2. thanks for the answer :)

      guess i have to fight my way back to unicum PR now. That will teach me to sealclub in kv 1s

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  4. My performance rate dropped from 1484 to 1425 today.
    User : eXtremQ on EU server.
    TY

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    1. 782 battles in KV-1S, the nominal damage of which was raised, is the reason for the rating drop.

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    2. Ty for clearing out.. I sold kv1s 'cos i perform very bad in it :). Going for americans now :)

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  5. Hello,

    My PR rating dropped like 90 points this day. I can't find this drop in any of the 1day, 1000 battles 3000battles stats.

    It cant drop that many just from a couple of battles in a kv1s?
    even sitting still for those 9 battles won't make a drop like that!

    Can u please see if there is something wrong?

    Thank u.

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    1. You have 445 battles in KV-1S, not 9.

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    2. Oke, so the change goes backwards for all matches. i thought it was only the matches since the update. my bad

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    3. he has the same reason I do to complain, how can you state "taking into consideration the changes made by WarGaming in the latest patches" when you do not take into consideration that we have not played these tanks since the latest patches. I must have stopped playing my tier 6 td about 7months ago how to you factor this in?

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    4. April 28th to Sep 25th Interval 2396 battles - not one mid tier TD ins site and you tell me that this reflects
      "taking into consideration the changes made by WarGaming in the latest patches"
      absolutely not true unless you define what "latest patches" mean to you.

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    5. See my reply to you above. Take it easy, please.

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  6. Dear NOOBMETER manager.

    I was SEA user but now I'm in KR server.
    Unfortunately, NOOBMETER Rating and tank datas are not updated properly now. (no updates and it's old data.)

    My KR server nickname is 헥헥

    I believe you can fix this soon.

    Thank you.

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    1. Done, but still cached; check in a few hours.

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    2. until now, it is not update.... T_T

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    3. Strange. I did it again :/. Check again in a few hours.

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  7. April 28th to Sep 25th Interval 2396 battles - not one mid tier TD ins site and you tell me that this reflects
    "taking into consideration the changes made by WarGaming in the latest patches"
    absolutely not true unless you define what "latest patches" mean to you.

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  8. Sorry but this just means that the Noobmeter rating is now a nonsense number. Applying a penalty because a tank is OP post patch to all the pre match games is a bad joke. If it's too complicated to do it on a patch by patch basis then leave it alone.

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    1. http://forum.worldoftanks.eu/index.php?/topic/184281-noobmetercom-wot-performance-rating-player-comparison-tool/page__st__1040__pid__6015269#entry6015269

      If Noobmeter rating is a nonsense number because it doesn't differentiate between damage done by a patch 8.7 Tiger and patch 8.8 Tiger then what should you think about all the other ratings who don't differentiate between damage done by Maus and Foch 155?

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    2. If Noobmeter PR is non-sense then other rankings are totally stupid. Take some examples: u did on average 2500 dmg/battle with T57 Heavy and other player 2200 dmg on average with IS-7. Is second player worse? According WN7 clearly is. But it's far from true in most cases. WN7 is much better than old (and new) Efficiency Rating, but Noobmeter PR is more sophisticated and much better. It doesn't support damage dealing campers with OP tanks so much like WN7.

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    3. Link above: interesting, thank you.

      I'm happy for Noobmeter to differentiate between 8.7/8.8 Tigers, it's a great idea. I love that Noobmeter differentiates between same tier tanks like in the example above, another great idea. However, judging all pre 8.8 games by post 8.8 stats is daft. You're building in deliberate mistakes. For someone who joins WoT tomorrow Noobmeter will be the best ranking system on the block; for someone who's been around the block it will never give the correct rating again...

      The work you put into Noobmeter is amazing; you deserve a medal for your efforts. It's a seriously slick piece of kit... but you broke it :( I understand what you've done and why you've done it but from now on I'll be ignoring the left hand column in the ratings.

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    4. I think u don't understand. For example nominal damage for Tiger (H) is NOT calculated on the base of 8.8 stats (8.8 changes can only little bit influence it). Real base is average damage done by players (XVM database, VBaddict database etc.)

      You should know that ANY ranking can't be perfect. Noobmeter and all other ratings can know nothing about battles for example with E-50 before/after nerf and don't know nothing about damage upon detecting (average eXPerience can't help because u don't know if it was with premium acc. or not).

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    5. NM doesn't differentiate between 8.7/8.8 Tigers. The first version developed some time in early 2012 did, but it was over-complicated and so I dropped that feature.

      The difference and the adjustments aren't that big here, so NM PR is still IMHO the most accurate rating even for someone who's been around the block.

      But it's up to you whether to use it or not, feel free to stick with WN7/ER if you think simply ignoring which tank is which and treat t7 TDs as exactly the same as t7 SPGs or t7 HTs is preferrable to what NM does right now.

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    6. The reason that any stats should not be trusted :) XVM gave a 39% chance for us to win

      [url="http://www.noobmeter.com/replay/507264779.72731020520287445"]Victory!, M26 Pershing, Mountain Pass, 9/26/13 1:08 AM: 840 nXP, 747 dmg[/url]

      the thing is other people rate us and its better playing with people and I know for a fact that my friends stats mostly mediums did not get dropped at all, we started at the same time and I think some of his tanks are OP now when other clans look at us they are like hmm why are you so low and I have to say well ,"you know noobmeter has these funny stat updates" and they go really why is your friend got the same stats and then anything i really have to say goes out the window - sure maybe im better off without them but really playing random day in and day out without players to communicate with really sucks sometimes especially tier 10 and without stats well no one looks - and like the man says if I started a new account and took the tanks I know are OP but your stats have not touched then I could get ranked a lot quicker but do I have the money time and gold to do that now - no I got a new job I cant grind like I did with those TDs - and now i wish I could get rid of them because I cant get into games I wish I could.

      That is the sad horrible truth its not about the stats its about the community and yours is the hymn sheet we all sing from.

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    7. Noobmeter said "But it's up to you whether to use it or not, feel free to stick with WN7/ER if you think simply ignoring which tank is which and treat t7 TDs as exactly the same as t7 SPGs or t7 HTs is preferrable to what NM does right now."

      Heaven forbid! Like I said, I'll be ignoring the LEFT column from now on, 'Overall', as it will never be correct again. Everything else you do is still the best PR system going. You seem to have made a move to 30 day stats which is fantastic. All I need now is a way to make my XVM show YOUR 30 day stats instead of the other ratings and I'll be a happy badger! (I am never a happy CAMPER! :) )

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  9. Hey me again :p

    So I have been looking through everyones PR rating since the change to see how many have dropped (using your top players by PR search) and the ones that seem to be gaining ground are the ones using medium tanks do you think people that data mine all your results will actually tell you if they found a loophole or must they keep quiet and farm that PR back to unicum with those tanks, Like I said before I have noticed that those with the mediums I think are op have not been hit as hard as others but definitely harder to gain those points now unless certain tanks are used. Can you send me a link to your forum post please will be easier to follow than here :)

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    1. http://forum.worldoftanks.eu/index.php?/topic/184281-noobmetercom-wot-performance-rating-player-comparison-tool

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  10. Dear NOOBMETER manager.

    I was SEA user but now I'm in KR server. Unfortunately, NOOBMETER Rating and tank datas are not updated properly now. (no updates and it's old data.)

    My KR server nickname is 추요찡

    I believe you can fix this soon.

    Thank you.

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  11. I'm 스란두일 in korean server, and I do have same problem as 추요찡 above.
    I'd hope you to fix this soon.
    Thank you.

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  12. I'm Korean transfered user and I have same problem same as above them
    Piz repair my noobmeter.
    My game nickname is "훼더"

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  13. Any chance of getting http://www.noobmeter.com/tankStats/eu updated to where it is only data from patch 8.8?

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  14. I see somethink not right in WN6 for last day for player Szarkon:
    Overall: 1 911 (Bardzo dobry)
    Most recent: 1 693 (+341,5)
    and no reason to get so much boost in ranking.

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  15. I have had about a 100 point PR drop between the 23rd and 30th September. Was this due to my high Loltraktor and KV1S battle amounts? what would be the best method of getting the PR to raise again? username flyingmanticore - EU server

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  16. I moved my account 'sea server' from 'kr server'
    But noobmeter is not updates
    Help me plz.
    My user name is 푸르
    Kr server

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  17. I have an after reset please update statistics clan history etc nickname neros2402

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  18. For my recent battles i get a black diamond with a white question mark (�) at WN7 for a last few weeks

    How can I fix that?

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  19. Bug report
    Pls check
    http://www.noobmeter.com/player/eu/kzmijo/502956727
    http://i44.tinypic.com/nz3tv.jpg

    Strange character.

    THX

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  20. I don't quite understand why I get punished for games I have played previously on previous patches. All of a sudden apparently I have played 688 battles in the KV-85 in one day which I didn't. I understand there has to be some jiggery pokery when tanks get changed but why should WN8 drop 3.4 points? Was your scale and weighting wrong this whole time for the KV-1s? Not happy to get a WN8 of 23 for one day when my recent average is 2k ...

    cheesyboofs EU

    Regards

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