I ran a report on my local, large
NoobMeter.com database looking at what results people have had in 8.3 and found it quite interesting.
How is this report different from the many others on other sites? Well, I also included Player winrate (WR) for players which own a particular tank in the data, and also calculate a rating called "OP rating" which compares Tank WR with Player WR.
As you can see from the results, the new tanks are generally first played by the most skilled players. If one blindly evaluates new tanks using their WR, that can lead to incorrect conclusions. For example, just because tank X has 52% WR while other tanks in that category have 50% doesn't mean it is OP - perhaps it is simply played by players who on average have 54% WR, and is thus in fact under-performing!
This is why this report provides a more accurate picture.
The report was run on the EU server data between 17th of January to 27th of January, but the conclusions should carry over to other servers.
Explanation of the columns:
- Tank WR - victories / battles in percent for this particular tank
- Player WR - victories / battles in percent for players playing this tank
- OP Rating - Tank WR / Player WR - the higher the more OP
Note that I don't really have all the battles/players represented (I'm missing some low-battle players) - this is why the Tank WR for low-tier tanks are larger than Player WR for these tanks. The sample set isn't 100% representative of the server population, it has the NoobMeter.com users slightly over-represented, and they are generally above average players. I plan to get a more representative set for the next report.
The t10 tanks all have poor OP ratings, I think that is because they are owned by the best players (good Player WR ratings), who can crush the low-tier random games against less experienced players, but then when playing t10 tanks they meet other good players - whether in CW, TC or even randoms, and thus no longer win that much.
Level 10 MT
# | Tank | Nation | Battles | Tank WR | Player WR | OP rating |
1 | Bat Chatillon 25 t | FR | 54,356 | 51.6% | 54.5% | 0.95 |
2 | T62A | RU | 28,525 | 51.0% | 54.9% | 0.93 |
3 | E-50 Ausf. M | DE | 20,218 | 50.3% | 54.6% | 0.92 |
4 | M48A1 | US | 10,381 | 51.0% | 55.5% | 0.92 |
5 | 121 | CH | 968 | 48.5% | 55.9% | 0.87 |
6 | FV4202 | UK | 1,900 | 47.3% | 55.1% | 0.86 |
The poor showing for 121 and FV4202 could be due to low sample sizes, but it seems that M48A1 has been nerfed too much. It can also be seen that it is no longer played much by the players.
Level 10 HT
# | Tank | Nation | Battles | Tank WR | Player WR | OP rating |
1 | T57 Heavy | US | 9,313 | 53.6% | 55.4% | 0.97 |
2 | T110E5 | US | 41,223 | 50.7% | 54.0% | 0.94 |
3 | E-100 | DE | 50,865 | 49.0% | 52.7% | 0.93 |
4 | Maus | DE | 12,436 | 49.1% | 53.2% | 0.92 |
5 | IS-7 | RU | 71,555 | 48.7% | 52.8% | 0.92 |
6 | IS-4 | RU | 23,583 | 49.1% | 53.5% | 0.92 |
7 | AMX 50B | FR | 10,797 | 50.6% | 55.2% | 0.92 |
8 | 113 | CH | 555 | 48.8% | 53.7% | 0.91 |
9 | FV215b | UK | 3,277 | 49.3% | 54.8% | 0.90 |
The T57 Heavy seems to overperform, the T110E5 is still doing good. 113 and FV205b have small sample sizes.
Level 10 TD
# | Tank | Nation | Battles | Tank WR | Player WR | OP rating |
1 | AMX 50 Foch 155 | FR | 9,573 | 53.7% | 55.3% | 0.97 |
2 | T110E3 | US | 7,142 | 51.5% | 53.9% | 0.96 |
3 | Object 268 | RU | 15,504 | 51.9% | 55.0% | 0.94 |
4 | T110E4 | US | 18,037 | 49.7% | 54.2% | 0.92 |
5 | JagdPz E-100 | DE | 21,201 | 48.6% | 53.1% | 0.91 |
6 | Object 263 | RU | 1,503 | 50.5% | 55.4% | 0.91 |
AMX 50 Foch 155 is ridiculously OP, the JagdPz E-100 clearly struggles, while the o263 has a small sample size.
Level 9 MT
# | Tank | Nation | Battles | Tank WR | Player WR | OP rating |
1 | WZ-120 | CH | 1,421 | 54.3% | 52.4% | 1.03 |
2 | T54E1 | US | 17,932 | 53.6% | 54.2% | 0.99 |
3 | T-54 | RU | 61,679 | 50.7% | 53.1% | 0.95 |
4 | Centurion Mk.7 | UK | 8,521 | 52.0% | 54.6% | 0.95 |
5 | E-50 | DE | 44,339 | 50.0% | 52.9% | 0.95 |
6 | M46 Patton | US | 22,496 | 50.4% | 53.4% | 0.94 |
7 | Lorraine 40 t | FR | 36,797 | 47.8% | 52.1% | 0.92 |
The T54E1 seems quite OP. T-54 is doing, possibly due to the best players playing it with HEAT where it is very much OP. The Patton and especially Lorraine 40t can be seen as nerfed too much.
Level 9 HT
# | Tank | Nation | Battles | Tank WR | Player WR | OP rating |
1 | ST-I | RU | 27,966 | 49.8% | 51.7% | 0.96 |
2 | Conqueror Mk.1 | UK | 26,172 | 51.2% | 53.4% | 0.96 |
3 | E-75 | DE | 116,943 | 49.6% | 51.8% | 0.96 |
4 | AMX 50 120 | FR | 24,306 | 51.0% | 53.6% | 0.95 |
5 | M103 | US | 71,293 | 49.5% | 52.1% | 0.95 |
6 | IS-8 | RU | 129,095 | 48.5% | 51.4% | 0.94 |
7 | VK 4502 (P) Ausf. B | DE | 27,626 | 48.3% | 52.3% | 0.92 |
8 | WZ-111 | CH | 416 | 46.4% | 52.3% | 0.89 |
VK4502B is underperforming as it has for ages, but no buff is coming. WZ-111 has a small sample size.
Level 9 TD
# | Tank | Nation | Battles | Tank WR | Player WR | OP rating |
1 | AMX 50 Foch | FR | 12,785 | 53.2% | 54.4% | 0.98 |
2 | Object 704 | RU | 36,381 | 51.6% | 53.1% | 0.97 |
3 | T95 | US | 17,516 | 51.1% | 52.8% | 0.97 |
4 | Jagdtiger | DE | 51,807 | 49.9% | 52.5% | 0.95 |
5 | T30 | US | 36,424 | 49.4% | 52.6% | 0.94 |
6 | SU-122-54 | RU | 6,201 | 50.7% | 55.1% | 0.92 |
Another Foch who is overperforming. Strangely, the SU-122-54 is not doing very well.
Level 8 LT
# | Tank | Nation | Battles | Tank WR | Player WR | OP rating |
1 | WZ-132 | CH | 1,449 | 57.0% | 56.4% | 1.01 |
2 | AMX 13 90 | FR | 66,296 | 52.2% | 53.2% | 0.98 |
Level 8 MT
# | Tank | Nation | Battles | Tank WR | Player WR | OP rating |
1 | T69 | US | 29,654 | 52.6% | 54.2% | 0.97 |
2 | Centurion | UK | 24,070 | 51.9% | 53.6% | 0.97 |
3 | T26E4 SuperPershing | US | 129,624 | 49.4% | 51.1% | 0.97 |
4 | T-44 | RU | 61,535 | 50.2% | 52.1% | 0.96 |
5 | Type 59 | CH | 170,336 | 50.9% | 52.8% | 0.96 |
6 | Panther II | DE | 41,101 | 49.4% | 51.7% | 0.95 |
7 | M26 Pershing | US | 29,045 | 49.3% | 52.0% | 0.95 |
8 | T-34-2 | CH | 1,651 | 48.3% | 53.5% | 0.90 |
T69 and Centurion both performing well. The Pershing is strangely now the least successful of the "old" mediums.
In the premium category, T26E4 Superpershing overperforms the Type59.
Level 8 HT
# | Tank | Nation | Battles | Tank WR | Player WR | OP rating |
1 | 110 | CH | 3,441 | 56.7% | 53.7% | 1.06 |
2 | IS-6 | RU | 43,640 | 49.7% | 50.1% | 0.99 |
3 | KV-5 | RU | 75,339 | 50.5% | 51.3% | 0.98 |
4 | T32 | US | 75,147 | 51.2% | 52.4% | 0.98 |
5 | IS-3 | RU | 275,649 | 50.1% | 51.4% | 0.97 |
6 | Caernarvon | UK | 44,700 | 51.5% | 52.9% | 0.97 |
7 | AMX 50 100 | FR | 40,620 | 51.5% | 53.1% | 0.97 |
8 | T34 | US | 254,024 | 50.0% | 52.0% | 0.96 |
9 | PzKpfw VIB Tiger II | DE | 166,122 | 49.0% | 51.0% | 0.96 |
10 | KV-4 | RU | 46,490 | 49.3% | 51.3% | 0.96 |
11 | Löwe | DE | 142,571 | 49.3% | 51.3% | 0.96 |
12 | M6A2E1 | US | 921 | 53.5% | 56.4% | 0.95 |
13 | VK 4502 (P) Ausf. A | DE | 40,789 | 48.6% | 51.4% | 0.94 |
14 | FCM 50t | FR | 16,655 | 47.8% | 50.8% | 0.94 |
IS-6 and KV-5 performing very well, I think the gold ammo for credits has helped them as they lacked good guns. FCM 50t and VK4502A are both underperforming.
Here we also clearly see that M6A2E1 is owned by the best players - as it was a pre-order special so mostly players from the beta times got it.
Level 8 TD
# | Tank | Nation | Battles | Tank WR | Player WR | OP rating |
1 | JagdPanther II | DE | 28,484 | 50.3% | 52.1% | 0.97 |
2 | T28 Prototype | US | 46,449 | 49.7% | 51.7% | 0.96 |
3 | Ferdinand | DE | 68,125 | 49.6% | 51.6% | 0.96 |
4 | ISU-152 | RU | 53,711 | 50.3% | 52.4% | 0.96 |
5 | 8.8 cm Pak 43 JagdTiger | DE | 23,017 | 48.4% | 50.8% | 0.95 |
6 | T28 | US | 16,622 | 49.3% | 51.8% | 0.95 |
7 | AMX AC Mle. 1948 | FR | 19,117 | 50.5% | 53.5% | 0.94 |
8 | Uralmash-1 | RU | 10,067 | 50.3% | 54.0% | 0.93 |
JagdPanther2 performing very well, while the new Soviet TD line is not performing well, as can be seen in other categories.
Level 8 SPG
# | Tank | Nation | Battles | Tank WR | Player WR | OP rating |
1 | T92 | US | 12,103 | 50.3% | 54.5% | 0.92 |
2 | Object 261 | RU | 20,824 | 50.4% | 54.9% | 0.92 |
3 | GW Typ E | DE | 20,028 | 49.5% | 54.0% | 0.92 |
4 | Bat Chatillon 155 | FR | 14,149 | 49.9% | 54.7% | 0.91 |
Very balanced results for the top-tier arties.
Level 7 LT
# | Tank | Nation | Battles | Tank WR | Player WR | OP rating |
1 | WZ-131 | CH | 4,586 | 53.0% | 53.8% | 0.99 |
2 | T71 | US | 58,684 | 52.4% | 53.6% | 0.98 |
3 | AMX 13 75 | FR | 47,248 | 49.6% | 51.1% | 0.97 |
4 | Type-62 | CH | 8,973 | 50.6% | 52.7% | 0.96 |
Level 7 MT
# | Tank | Nation | Battles | Tank WR | Player WR | OP rating |
1 | T-34-1 | CH | 3,439 | 53.9% | 54.2% | 1.00 |
2 | T-43 | RU | 52,094 | 50.1% | 50.7% | 0.99 |
3 | T20 | US | 30,792 | 49.8% | 51.3% | 0.97 |
4 | Panther M10 | DE | 11,945 | 49.2% | 51.0% | 0.96 |
5 | PzKpfw V Panther | DE | 63,366 | 49.2% | 51.1% | 0.96 |
6 | KV-13 | RU | 15,667 | 48.3% | 50.5% | 0.96 |
7 | Comet | UK | 51,456 | 49.0% | 51.6% | 0.95 |
8 | VK 3002 (DB) | DE | 18,534 | 48.5% | 52.3% | 0.93 |
Level 7 HT
# | Tank | Nation | Battles | Tank WR | Player WR | OP rating |
1 | IS-2 | CH | 6,095 | 57.4% | 54.4% | 1.06 |
2 | T29 | US | 142,298 | 51.5% | 51.2% | 1.01 |
3 | Black Prince | UK | 61,409 | 52.0% | 51.8% | 1.01 |
4 | IS | RU | 231,381 | 49.5% | 50.0% | 0.99 |
5 | PzKpfw VI Tiger (P) | DE | 92,278 | 50.4% | 50.9% | 0.99 |
6 | KV-3 | RU | 54,843 | 49.6% | 50.5% | 0.98 |
7 | PzKpfw VI Tiger | DE | 201,200 | 49.0% | 50.2% | 0.98 |
8 | AMX M4 (1945) | FR | 28,959 | 49.5% | 51.1% | 0.97 |
Level 7 TD
# | Tank | Nation | Battles | Tank WR | Player WR | OP rating |
1 | SU-122-44 | RU | 37,464 | 53.0% | 52.0% | 1.02 |
2 | T25 AT | US | 22,657 | 50.7% | 51.1% | 0.99 |
3 | AT 15A | UK | 5,293 | 51.5% | 52.1% | 0.99 |
4 | SU-100M1 | RU | 14,743 | 51.6% | 52.6% | 0.98 |
5 | SU-152 | RU | 52,435 | 49.9% | 51.1% | 0.98 |
6 | Jagdpanther | DE | 111,411 | 49.9% | 51.2% | 0.98 |
7 | AMX AC Mle.1946 | FR | 21,759 | 51.0% | 52.7% | 0.97 |
8 | T25/2 | US | 64,599 | 49.4% | 51.1% | 0.97 |
Level 7 SPG
# | Tank | Nation | Battles | Tank WR | Player WR | OP rating |
1 | M40/M43 | US | 28,933 | 49.6% | 52.9% | 0.94 |
2 | Object 212 | RU | 39,085 | 49.7% | 53.0% | 0.94 |
3 | Lorraine155 51 | FR | 36,115 | 50.0% | 53.5% | 0.93 |
4 | GW Tiger | DE | 59,500 | 48.5% | 52.1% | 0.93 |
Level 6 LT
# | Tank | Nation | Battles | Tank WR | Player WR | OP rating |
1 | AMX 12t | FR | 81,171 | 49.9% | 50.6% | 0.99 |
2 | T21 | US | 51,472 | 50.0% | 51.4% | 0.97 |
3 | 59-16 | CH | 9,973 | 51.0% | 52.7% | 0.97 |
Level 6 MT
# | Tank | Nation | Battles | Tank WR | Player WR | OP rating |
1 | Type 58 | CH | 21,510 | 55.2% | 53.8% | 1.03 |
2 | VK 3601 (H) | DE | 198,115 | 50.9% | 50.4% | 1.01 |
3 | T-34-85 | RU | 114,134 | 50.6% | 50.5% | 1.00 |
4 | M4A3E8 Sherman | US | 34,473 | 51.1% | 51.1% | 1.00 |
5 | Cromwell | UK | 152,902 | 51.1% | 51.3% | 1.00 |
6 | M4A3E2 | US | 30,205 | 51.3% | 51.6% | 0.99 |
7 | Pz IV Schmalturm | DE | 15,692 | 51.6% | 51.9% | 0.99 |
8 | VK 3001 (P) | DE | 89,515 | 49.1% | 49.6% | 0.99 |
9 | VK 3001 (H) | DE | 58,902 | 49.5% | 50.4% | 0.98 |
10 | PzKpfw V-IV | DE | 309 | 49.5% | 54.2% | 0.91 |
11 | PzKpfw V-IV Alpha | DE | 1 | 0.0% | 52.6% | 0.00 |
Level 6 HT
# | Tank | Nation | Battles | Tank WR | Player WR | OP rating |
1 | KV-1S | RU | 871,938 | 51.5% | 50.7% | 1.02 |
2 | T-150 | RU | 77,211 | 50.7% | 50.0% | 1.02 |
3 | M6 | US | 92,960 | 50.2% | 49.9% | 1.01 |
4 | KV-2 | RU | 41,886 | 52.5% | 52.2% | 1.00 |
5 | TOG II | UK | 5,420 | 51.8% | 51.6% | 1.00 |
6 | Churchill VII | UK | 81,975 | 49.7% | 50.5% | 0.98 |
7 | ARL 44 | FR | 56,914 | 49.4% | 50.8% | 0.97 |
Level 6 TD
# | Tank | Nation | Battles | Tank WR | Player WR | OP rating |
1 | SU-100 | RU | 74,470 | 51.8% | 51.1% | 1.01 |
2 | M18 Hellcat | US | 165,870 | 52.1% | 51.6% | 1.01 |
3 | Dicker Max | DE | 30,037 | 52.0% | 51.8% | 1.00 |
4 | M36 Slugger | US | 30,988 | 50.8% | 50.8% | 1.00 |
5 | JagdPz IV | DE | 98,841 | 49.0% | 49.5% | 0.99 |
6 | ARL V39 | FR | 23,997 | 49.9% | 51.8% | 0.96 |
Level 6 SPG
# | Tank | Nation | Battles | Tank WR | Player WR | OP rating |
1 | M12 | US | 34,051 | 49.7% | 51.3% | 0.97 |
2 | Lorraine155 50 | FR | 50,768 | 50.7% | 52.4% | 0.97 |
3 | S-51 | RU | 33,989 | 51.0% | 52.8% | 0.97 |
4 | SU-14 | RU | 25,782 | 49.1% | 51.2% | 0.96 |
5 | GW Panther | DE | 127,058 | 49.4% | 51.5% | 0.96 |
Level 5 LT
# | Tank | Nation | Battles | Tank WR | Player WR | OP rating |
1 | ELC AMX | FR | 129,548 | 50.6% | 50.4% | 1.01 |
2 | Crusader | UK | 66,044 | 48.9% | 49.3% | 0.99 |
3 | VK 2801 | DE | 31,963 | 52.6% | 53.6% | 0.98 |
4 | M24 Chaffee | US | 15,019 | 52.7% | 53.9% | 0.98 |
5 | T-50-2 | RU | 53,130 | 50.8% | 52.9% | 0.96 |
Level 5 MT
# | Tank | Nation | Battles | Tank WR | Player WR | OP rating |
1 | Matilda | RU | 5,369 | 53.7% | 51.6% | 1.04 |
2 | T-25 | DE | 34,423 | 53.2% | 51.6% | 1.03 |
3 | M4 Sherman | US | 65,807 | 52.8% | 51.2% | 1.03 |
4 | Ram-II | US | 3,572 | 53.2% | 52.0% | 1.02 |
5 | PzKpfw IV | DE | 261,310 | 51.3% | 50.2% | 1.02 |
6 | M4A2E4 | US | 1,472 | 54.1% | 53.1% | 1.02 |
7 | T-34 | RU | 66,202 | 49.9% | 49.4% | 1.01 |
8 | Matilda Black Prince | UK | 3,176 | 51.6% | 51.5% | 1.00 |
9 | T-34 | CH | 107,766 | 52.6% | 52.6% | 1.00 |
10 | PzKpfw III/IV | DE | 109,006 | 49.3% | 49.4% | 1.00 |
11 | M7 | US | 62,671 | 49.8% | 50.2% | 0.99 |
Level 5 HT
# | Tank | Nation | Battles | Tank WR | Player WR | OP rating |
1 | KV-220 (action) | RU | 8 | 87.5% | 63.2% | 1.39 |
2 | T1 heavy | US | 78,902 | 51.8% | 49.7% | 1.04 |
3 | KV-1 | RU | 304,568 | 52.0% | 50.0% | 1.04 |
4 | T14 | US | 20,445 | 52.1% | 50.5% | 1.03 |
5 | Churchill | RU | 37,338 | 52.6% | 51.1% | 1.03 |
6 | Churchill I | UK | 86,832 | 50.5% | 49.8% | 1.01 |
7 | KV-220 Beta-Test | RU | 32 | 62.5% | 61.8% | 1.01 |
8 | BDR G1B | FR | 46,031 | 50.3% | 49.8% | 1.01 |
Level 5 TD
# | Tank | Nation | Battles | Tank WR | Player WR | OP rating |
1 | M10 Wolverine | US | 47,242 | 51.5% | 50.2% | 1.02 |
2 | S-35 CA | FR | 18,029 | 52.6% | 51.5% | 1.02 |
3 | StuG III | DE | 288,549 | 51.1% | 50.1% | 1.02 |
4 | T49 | US | 83,459 | 51.1% | 50.3% | 1.02 |
5 | SU-85 | RU | 75,495 | 50.1% | 50.0% | 1.00 |
Level 5 SPG
# | Tank | Nation | Battles | Tank WR | Player WR | OP rating |
1 | SU-8 | RU | 48,704 | 51.0% | 50.3% | 1.01 |
2 | AMX 13 F3 AM | FR | 49,659 | 50.4% | 51.1% | 0.99 |
3 | Hummel | DE | 145,807 | 49.5% | 50.3% | 0.98 |
4 | M41 | US | 53,387 | 49.6% | 50.4% | 0.98 |
Level 4 LT
# | Tank | Nation | Battles | Tank WR | Player WR | OP rating |
1 | Valentine | RU | 1,772 | 53.2% | 52.0% | 1.02 |
2 | PzKpfw 38 nA | DE | 43,364 | 49.8% | 48.7% | 1.02 |
3 | Covenanter | UK | 45,254 | 50.0% | 49.2% | 1.02 |
4 | AMX 40 | FR | 23,989 | 49.0% | 48.6% | 1.01 |
5 | M5 Stuart | US | 44,840 | 50.8% | 50.4% | 1.01 |
6 | M5A1 Stuart | CH | 235,340 | 50.9% | 50.7% | 1.01 |
7 | Valentine | UK | 8,698 | 49.8% | 49.6% | 1.00 |
8 | T-50 | RU | 119,059 | 50.7% | 50.5% | 1.00 |
9 | A-20 | RU | 35,141 | 48.5% | 48.7% | 0.99 |
10 | VK 1602 Leopard | DE | 36,311 | 49.9% | 50.3% | 0.99 |
Level 4 MT
# | Tank | Nation | Battles | Tank WR | Player WR | OP rating |
1 | Matilda | UK | 38,773 | 54.0% | 50.2% | 1.08 |
2 | T-28 | RU | 55,516 | 50.9% | 48.9% | 1.04 |
3 | PzKpfw III | DE | 46,417 | 51.7% | 49.9% | 1.04 |
4 | A-32 | RU | 213 | 54.0% | 52.8% | 1.02 |
5 | M3 Lee | US | 39,342 | 49.7% | 49.0% | 1.01 |
Level 4 HT
# | Tank | Nation | Battles | Tank WR | Player WR | OP rating |
1 | PzKpfw B2 740 (f) | DE | 2,435 | 57.9% | 53.7% | 1.08 |
2 | B1 | FR | 17,692 | 49.4% | 49.0% | 1.01 |
Level 4 TD
# | Tank | Nation | Battles | Tank WR | Player WR | OP rating |
1 | SU-85B | RU | 32,143 | 53.0% | 50.0% | 1.06 |
2 | T40 | US | 25,945 | 53.5% | 50.5% | 1.06 |
3 | Hetzer | DE | 100,751 | 52.5% | 50.0% | 1.05 |
4 | M8A1 | US | 33,036 | 51.3% | 49.7% | 1.03 |
5 | Somua S-40 | FR | 10,772 | 49.7% | 50.2% | 0.99 |
Level 4 SPG
# | Tank | Nation | Battles | Tank WR | Player WR | OP rating |
1 | SU-5 | RU | 36,120 | 50.9% | 49.7% | 1.02 |
2 | Grille | DE | 132,658 | 51.0% | 50.1% | 1.02 |
3 | 105 leFH18B2 | FR | 12,977 | 52.3% | 51.5% | 1.02 |
4 | AMX 105AM | FR | 44,899 | 50.3% | 50.3% | 1.00 |
5 | M7 Priest | US | 46,976 | 48.8% | 49.3% | 0.99 |
Level 3 LT
# | Tank | Nation | Battles | Tank WR | Player WR | OP rating |
1 | PzKpfw II Ausf. J | DE | 472 | 70.3% | 55.3% | 1.27 |
2 | T-127 | RU | 5,923 | 60.6% | 53.3% | 1.14 |
3 | PzKpfw 38 (t) | DE | 20,483 | 56.2% | 50.2% | 1.12 |
4 | T-15 | DE | 3,358 | 57.1% | 52.2% | 1.09 |
5 | PzKpfw II Luchs | DE | 29,527 | 55.1% | 50.6% | 1.09 |
6 | M22 Locust | US | 5,429 | 55.8% | 51.9% | 1.08 |
7 | Cruiser Mk. IV | UK | 13,524 | 53.1% | 50.0% | 1.06 |
8 | PzKpfw III Ausf. A | DE | 17,682 | 52.4% | 49.5% | 1.06 |
9 | AMX 38 | FR | 6,289 | 51.1% | 48.6% | 1.05 |
10 | M3 Stuart | US | 12,447 | 50.9% | 49.4% | 1.03 |
11 | T-46 | RU | 21,689 | 50.1% | 48.7% | 1.03 |
12 | Type 2597 Chi-Ha | CH | 171,722 | 51.1% | 49.8% | 1.02 |
13 | Cruiser Mk. II | UK | 5,324 | 51.0% | 50.4% | 1.01 |
14 | BT-7 | RU | 18,690 | 48.9% | 48.8% | 1.00 |
15 | M3 Stuart LL | RU | 9,012 | 49.2% | 49.5% | 0.99 |
Level 3 MT
# | Tank | Nation | Battles | Tank WR | Player WR | OP rating |
1 | PzKpfw S35 739 (f) | DE | 9,317 | 63.3% | 52.7% | 1.20 |
2 | M2 Medium Tank | US | 16,939 | 53.2% | 49.2% | 1.08 |
3 | D2 | FR | 4,269 | 51.2% | 48.9% | 1.05 |
4 | Vickers Medium Mk. III | UK | 6,371 | 51.1% | 48.9% | 1.05 |
Level 3 TD
# | Tank | Nation | Battles | Tank WR | Player WR | OP rating |
1 | FCM36 Pak40 | FR | 8,869 | 62.5% | 53.6% | 1.17 |
2 | Marder II | DE | 23,222 | 54.8% | 51.3% | 1.07 |
3 | Renault UE 57 | FR | 5,860 | 53.4% | 50.4% | 1.06 |
4 | T82 | US | 16,889 | 52.2% | 50.2% | 1.04 |
5 | SU-76 | RU | 18,696 | 50.7% | 50.0% | 1.01 |
Level 3 SPG
# | Tank | Nation | Battles | Tank WR | Player WR | OP rating |
1 | SU-26 | RU | 42,176 | 55.9% | 51.9% | 1.08 |
2 | Lorraine39 L AM | FR | 14,588 | 51.6% | 49.5% | 1.04 |
3 | Wespe | DE | 14,077 | 50.6% | 49.6% | 1.02 |
4 | Sturmpanzer II | DE | 23,875 | 49.4% | 48.5% | 1.02 |
5 | M37 | US | 18,757 | 49.0% | 48.6% | 1.01 |
Level 2 LT
# | Tank | Nation | Battles | Tank WR | Player WR | OP rating |
1 | PzKpfw 38H735 (f) | DE | 10,656 | 59.7% | 53.3% | 1.12 |
2 | Cruiser Mk. III | UK | 25,073 | 56.0% | 51.3% | 1.09 |
3 | PzKpfw II | DE | 30,535 | 55.5% | 50.9% | 1.09 |
4 | T-26 | RU | 8,744 | 54.5% | 50.1% | 1.09 |
5 | PzKpfw 35 (t) | DE | 16,025 | 55.4% | 50.9% | 1.09 |
6 | M2 Light Tank | US | 11,991 | 54.2% | 50.3% | 1.08 |
7 | MkVII Tetrarch | RU | 9,269 | 57.5% | 53.8% | 1.07 |
8 | BT-2 | RU | 21,316 | 54.1% | 50.7% | 1.07 |
9 | Cruiser Mk. I | UK | 3,301 | 53.7% | 50.7% | 1.06 |
10 | Vickers Mk. E | CH | 46,438 | 51.6% | 49.6% | 1.04 |
11 | Hotchkiss H35 | DE | 3,368 | 51.4% | 49.8% | 1.03 |
12 | D1 | FR | 1,071 | 50.9% | 49.5% | 1.03 |
13 | T2 Light Tank | US | 16,855 | 52.9% | 52.3% | 1.01 |
14 | T1 E6 | US | 69,741 | 50.7% | 50.7% | 1.00 |
Level 2 MT
# | Tank | Nation | Battles | Tank WR | Player WR | OP rating |
1 | T2 Medium Tank | US | 6,808 | 53.2% | 49.5% | 1.07 |
2 | Vickers Medium Mk. II | UK | 2,936 | 52.3% | 49.7% | 1.05 |
Level 2 TD
# | Tank | Nation | Battles | Tank WR | Player WR | OP rating |
1 | Panzerjäger I | DE | 9,871 | 57.1% | 51.1% | 1.12 |
2 | T18 | US | 50,056 | 57.1% | 51.9% | 1.10 |
3 | AT-1 | RU | 5,011 | 53.7% | 49.9% | 1.08 |
4 | RenaultFT AC | FR | 3,224 | 52.8% | 50.3% | 1.05 |
Level 2 SPG
# | Tank | Nation | Battles | Tank WR | Player WR | OP rating |
1 | T57 | US | 12,571 | 53.0% | 49.1% | 1.08 |
2 | Sturmpanzer I Bison | DE | 8,966 | 51.9% | 49.9% | 1.04 |
3 | SU-18 | RU | 4,582 | 49.7% | 48.9% | 1.02 |
4 | RenaultBS | FR | 3,295 | 49.2% | 49.1% | 1.00 |
Level 1 LT
# | Tank | Nation | Battles | Tank WR | Player WR | OP rating |
1 | MS-1 | RU | 17,225 | 55.7% | 50.8% | 1.10 |
2 | Leichttraktor | DE | 50,802 | 55.3% | 50.5% | 1.09 |
3 | T1 Cunningham | US | 27,198 | 55.6% | 51.9% | 1.07 |
4 | Renault NC-31 | CH | 54,105 | 52.0% | 49.9% | 1.04 |
5 | RenaultFT | FR | 6,294 | 50.7% | 49.6% | 1.02 |
Level 1 MT
# | Tank | Nation | Battles | Tank WR | Player WR | OP rating |
1 | Medium Mark I | UK | 8,934 | 52.8% | 50.3% | 1.05 |
While this is very interesting, I think it would be even more revealing if you could calculate OP rating on a per-player basis. That is, instead of dividing overall Tank WR by mean Player WR of players owning said tank, divide individual Tank WR by individual Player WR. You could then use a weighted average (based on number of battles in the tank) for the overall OP rating. You could also then stratify by Player WR. It would be interesting if there are certain skill magnifying or compressing tanks that particularly powerful in the hands of the better players while being extremely weak in the hands of worse players (I imagine this is true for many high tier FR tanks, for example).
ReplyDeleteAlex, thanks for your comment.
ReplyDeleteIt is a very good suggestion, although I'm not sure it will result in much different results as the Tank WR and Player WR I use is already a weighted average by the battles in the reporting period (that is, I'm not taking the Tank WR and then calculating the mean for that, instead I'm summing all the victories and all the battles for that tank, and only calculating the (victories/battles) as the last step).
The main difference, if I see it right, is that in your suggested approach Player WR would be weighted by the # of battles players have played in the particular tank being evaluated, as opposed to the total # battles in the reporting period.
I will see if I can implement it for the next report.
The point that some tanks are likely disproportionately OP for best players and disproportionately UP for worst players is also very valid, and the suggestion of proving that by stratifying by Player WR is a great idea too.
By the way, assuming I do end up stratifying by Player WR, any suggestions how to easily make this data presentable? As posting 3 different sets of tables for, say, below average, average, and above average players seems quite ineffective (the report as is takes up a lot of space). I guess I could introduce more columns ("OP rating for players w/ WR 52%+")... just thinking maybe there is some more elegant solution.
ReplyDeleteCould you provide the stratified data only when you mouse-over (or click on) one of the tanks? Just to avoid cluttering things up too much.
DeleteShould be doable.
DeleteAny suggestions on categories for the stratification?
"Poor player < 46% WR", "Average player 46%..50% WR", "Good player 50%..54% WR", "Excellent player > 54% WR" perhaps?
The perfect way to do it would be scatterplots, with player WR on one, and tank WR on the other, but that may be a BIT too much effort :D
DeleteScatter plots are no big deal, I already have them in clan pages on www.noobmeter.com so I can implement them fairly easily here. However I'm not certain the will be that easy to read and suitable for understanding which tanks are OP and which ones aren't.
DeleteOkay, I see what you're saying. I wasn't quite sure how it was calculated from the initial write-up. For the stratification, I think it depends. Personally, I think it would be most interesting for Tier 8+, which definitely limits the number of tanks one needs to consider. Lower tiers (particularly below 5) are pretty chaotic. I'm not sure what the best stratification would be. Maybe just quartiles? Or maybe the tails are the most interesting, so something like the bottom 10%, 11-50%, 51-90%, top 10% (of winrates).
ReplyDeleteOkay, I ran such a report, dividing by WR < 46% "good", WR 46%..50% "avg", WR > 50% "bad" and then compared the respective "OP ratings" for the good vs bad group. The problem with using the tails is that we run into too small sample sizes more often.
ReplyDeleteSome of the top results were due to insufficient sample size, then came stuff like "SU-122-54", Centurion Mk1, IS-4 (!?), 110, M6A2E1, KV-1S, SU-26, T110. So these would be the tanks where the best players outperform the worst players more than usual.
Very strange results, I expected the French tanks to be at the top of that list.
At the bottom of the "good / bad OP ratings" list is stuff like Lorraine 155 51, M22 Locust, AMX38 and other mostly low-tier tanks and arty. Perhaps that means these tanks don't influence the game much therefore the best players cannot win the games for others in them and the worst cannot lose the games for others by taking them.
I'll think if I can make this presentable, but overall the results are strange enough that I'm not sure there is much value to publishing them. I can upload a 170 MB CSV file with data about battles during the last few weeks if anyone wants to play with it. Or the resulting ~260 row file w/ row for each tank.
If you do decide to publish the stratified data, how about just splitting into two categories initially; players with above 50% win ratio and below 50%.
DeleteYes, that would make the most sense. Actually above 48% and below 48%, as ~48% is the server mean, I think.
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ReplyDeleteAwesome data collection and editing!
ReplyDeleteSome remarks to two tanks:
IS-2, my OP rating: 1,25
110, my OP rating: 1,18
These two tanks are hillariously overperformant at the moment.
Now about another tank:
I switched to the WZ-111 1-4 ... I MY GOD!
Compared to the 110
- my average damage went down from 1950 to 1450
- my damageration dropped from 1,6 to 0,9
- my average exp dropped from 1050 to 770
But suprisingly the vitory ration is at 61,3%, so still OP by 1,04 for me. Mybe I get the "everybody wants to kill me because I'm so rare" bonus
The thing that immediately caught my attention is the massive win% inflation that players engage in. If players had "honest" stats, I would expect Tier X win% to be better than overall win% as the tanks are always top tier in every battle. However, looking at the results, it seems all tier X tanks perform 3-4% below overall. Normally I come down hard on the "stats mean things" side of an argument, but this data looks terrible for win%. Have you thought of doing an OP rating using efficiency/WN7/performance rating?
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